Which is better, to study for a doctorate in biology in the United States or to study for a doctorate in China?

I have the same confusion as you, and I have summed up everyone's views.

Finally, you have to weigh it yourself.

A:

Go abroad to study for a doctorate, study for a doctorate directly in China, then go abroad to be a postdoctoral fellow and visit a high school.

If you are excellent and lucky, you can of course go abroad after graduating from college. Better go to America! Some people say that it is better to be a postdoctoral fellow and do a high-level interview. Domestic money is abundant and stable (find a wife, hehe). Now I really want to find a good place to do scientific research and a dedicated scientist to learn the essence, so I even think that instead of spending a lot of energy to apply for an unsuccessful application, it is better to find a top domestic research institute to study for a doctorate. Going abroad is not as easy as it was a few years ago. I feel distracted, sometimes it's not worth it. I'm really bored.

T is easy to handle, but because I have something to go abroad in my heart, I often turn a blind eye to what is in front of me, which seems to be a sense of abandonment for our motherland.

Some people say that being a pure turtle has both pain and pleasure. We all know that we all envy it, but it is bitter. I wonder if it is easy to find a job abroad (such as America). Take care! Health first!

It is also very happy to watch one-on-one couples studying abroad in China, isn't it?

B:

As a postdoctoral fellow, you should consider these questions:

1。 Domestic doctors are not easy to mix, and they are under great pressure.

2。 Good laboratories in China are under great pressure. If you don't have a good laboratory, your chances of going out as a postdoctoral fellow are slim.

3。 Postdoctoral students get j 1, and sometimes they get h 1 visas, but generally they can't get f 1 visas. Even in Shanghai with good visas, most of them have more than two visas.

4。 What is the nature of a postdoctoral fellow in a laboratory? I think it's the nature of servants to take money and then work and do things regularly, so many postdocs just work hard to save money. Because it is a purely employment relationship, there is more pressure than ordinary students. Science once had a cover article devoted to the post-doctoral pressure in the United States, which would be very tiring in short.

C:

1。 Are foreign doctors easy to mix? Isn't the pressure great? In fact, life in China is much more comfortable. Of course, every major may be different ~

2。 After graduating from doctoral programs abroad, many people still choose to study PhD. ...

I was even told that doctors usually only do experiments, mainly research. The main targets of the laboratory are doctoral students, so many predecessors said that it is better to apply for an ordinary university, graduate as soon as possible, and then go to a famous university to be a doctoral student. ...

One more thing, I don't know if my doctor can learn core technology or something when he graduates from China and goes abroad to study as a postdoctoral fellow.

In addition, J 1 and H 1 visas can be tailored according to local conditions ... Chengdu has been to many places:)

To sum up, if there is a plot of Dr. Yang (such as me) ... Anyway, I'd better bite the bullet and come ~ ~ ~

If you think a doctor in China can do it, it's also the choice after studying for a doctorate ~ it's a way back:)

I think this problem may really be related to the actual situation of my major. ....

Ding:

1. Domestic doctors are not easy to mix. It is often because the tutor's academic level is not good or he has no time to be absent-minded. Not to mention the experimental equipment, foreign doctors are not easy to mix, are they? Some people are tired. If you don't work hard abroad, you will generally return to China after finishing your Ph.D. Hehe, if you want to get ahead abroad, I think you need perseverance, wisdom and persistence in science more.

It's true that good laboratories in China are under great pressure. For example, compared with doctors in general key universities, doctoral students in Chinese Academy of Sciences have a very heavy workload, but as far as I know, there are many opportunities to go abroad, such as being postdoctoral.

I don't know much about visas, so I want to ask experts for some advice, because I'm afraid I won't come back if I go.

4. In fact, I think all foreign doctors and postdocs give money to make assistant professors angry.

Hehe, at that time, you can choose to return to China or continue to be promoted to associate professor ~ ~

Sometimes I feel too tired because I push myself too hard.

e:

It's not just the tutor's problems and the experimental equipment that make it difficult to mix domestic blogs, at least I don't think it's a problem in the best laboratories. The key is to have a rope around your neck, and how many is the key to graduation. This is not the case in the United States. The United States is an academic Committee appraisal system. Whether you can graduate depends on whether you have completed a complete job. When I finish, I graduate. I don't have any articles. I can concentrate on my studies and worry less about writing. At the same time, there is the problem of treatment. You are right, the level of Chinese Academy of Sciences is very high, but their salary is still relatively low at home. This is also a reason that affects morale.

As for being an associate professor or assistant professor in the future, it should be said that no matter where you are, you should be a postdoctoral fellow for a period of time (different majors may be different), because this is the process of learning to manage the laboratory, applying for funds and so on. But the same postdoctoral work, Dr. Tu finally suffered a little.

He himself:

My choice is: either study abroad or work after graduation in China.

Not all domestic doctors will have the opportunity to go abroad in the future. I have seen many such examples. However, if you already have a position in China, it is not bad to get a diploma in Tubo. There are good and third-rate Chinese Academy of Sciences, so we can't generalize. Anyway, if you want me to get the diploma of Tubo in China, please kill me!

Yes, Chinese Academy of Sciences also has third-rate students. But Dr. Yang is also a third-rate doctor. I'm sorry to go back to China like this, and sometimes I have to go back to China.

It is impossible to really stand abroad without real skills.

But I think if you change your interest in applying for going abroad, such as looking for those majors that are good for application (except cattle people), the less popular majors are not worth it. Anyone who wants to go abroad wants to learn? If not, can you adapt to it after returning home (it is not so easy to stay abroad). It is said that the proportion of automatic control majors applying for going abroad in Tsinghua is not too high.

g:

Those who do basic research had better go to America. Determined by the national conditions of China.

Yes, China focuses on short and fast things. If he can make money soon, he will be very popular.

But in the long run, the gap is getting bigger and bigger, and there is still impetuousness in China.

Besides, if you want to do a high-level visit, then do it? People who do high-level interviews are not necessarily the most capable people in China. Whether it is a local blog or a foreign blog, you must read a word well and you can set up a project to be your own boss in the future. That's good.

It is said that the success rate of Tubo's application for NSFC is lower than that of Bo Yang. Foreign monks can recite scriptures. Studying abroad is not important, the key is that you can learn something and make something. Even a classmate made two papers with an impact factor of 8 and n papers with an impact factor of 3 after three years in a rotten school and a rotten laboratory. Professor Nankai Yi invited her to be a doctor, but she refused-people just like to stay in China. Sometimes a good research direction is more important than anything else, and domestic conditions are still successful.

After all, there are very few such awesome people. I am also a chemistry major. I know how difficult it is to post a piece of paper in JACS. Thesis is different from applying for doctoral degree and postdoctoral degree at the same level. Ph.D. in soil in China, no JACS, impact factor 6. It's hard to think that South Carolina is a postdoctoral fellow! A master's degree is different. Your classmates can apply for a university that is much better than South Carolina. Of course, you don't have to think about South Carolina.

Xin:

There is no particular difficulty in studying for a master's degree in China and then studying for a doctor's degree abroad. A lot of people do that.

From the point of view of admission, studying for a master's/graduate student in China and applying for a master's/doctoral program in the United States will not have any disadvantages. Being admitted as a graduate student by domestic universities, especially key or famous universities, means that the applicant has at least passed the postgraduate qualification examination of domestic universities, which is conducive to applying for postgraduate courses in foreign universities.

However, on the visa issue, there are two factors that need attention.

First, if you study for a master's degree in a famous university in China, but apply for a similar course with a poor ranking abroad, the visa officer will doubt the applicant's real motivation.

Second, if domestic graduate students go to the United States without completing their studies halfway, they should explain clearly to the visa officer why there is such security.

Row. After all, graduate students are no better than undergraduates. When recruiting students, the contract between the school/tutor and the applicant is stronger.

The way out is somewhat suspected of not respecting the contract.

If the majors are the same, the courses are the same or similar, and the course contents are the same or similar, then it is possible to reduce some credits.

Ren:

Li Kaifu's answer

First of all, why do you want to study for a doctorate?

If you want to be an excellent researcher or professor in order to do research, you can ask yourself the following questions:

(1) Are you more excited about the invention than the completion?

(2) Have you ever solved a programming problem that surprised your teachers and classmates with a higher degree of innovation?

(3) Are you willing to devote your life to lonely knowledge?

(4) Are you willing to work extremely hard to solve problems that may not be solved?

(5) Your professor probably knows little about your thesis field. Would you like to study by yourself?

If you are sure to take the research road, then the first choice is to go abroad to study for a doctorate, followed by going to a better university in China to study for a doctorate, and then going abroad to be a postdoctoral fellow. In terms of research, there is still a big gap between China's universities and foreign universities. In foreign countries, you will meet better teachers and broaden your horizons (of course, you can't go to poor schools abroad). Look at the last paragraph of my "first letter", "What kind of doctor hat do you want?"

If you want to get a doctorate, you can have a better way out. Although this idea goes against the original intention of the doctor's degree, it is understandable in China today. In this case, I would suggest that you apply for a better school, do applied research, find a business-minded professor, and strive to graduate within three years.

As for the evaluation of your tutor, I suggest you ask him directly whether he is praising your interpersonal skills directly or indirectly denying your research and technical abilities. If it is the latter, you should think twice about whether you really want to study for a doctorate.

Network and database are a good combination. Today's Internet is full of unstructured data. In the future, when the online database is structured, the function of the network will be greatly improved. I suggest you do the topic of Web services, which has both research connotation and commercial value.

Deck:

The doctoral degree is no longer too high or too little. In this regard, Director Sun of the China-Chile Consulting Center for Going Abroad analyzed that the main reasons for this situation are: First, access to higher education. Judging from the demand of the talent market, the expansion of colleges and universities has led to the "depreciation" of undergraduate and master's diplomas, and the rising fever of studying abroad has led to a sharp drop in the value of "returnees". In this case, many people began to think of going abroad to study for a doctorate. Second, the choice is wider. In foreign countries, doctoral majors are rich, involving almost all fields, and there are not too many restrictions on applicants' majors. In China, the professional fields of master's degree and doctor's degree cannot cross. In addition, some universities in Britain and the United States offer postgraduate and doctoral courses, and undergraduate graduates can directly obtain doctoral degrees through four years of study. Third, scholarships are more generous. It costs a lot of money to study for a doctorate abroad, but the scholarship is far richer than that of a master's degree, and the competition for application is not as fierce as that of a master's degree.

In addition, because doctors are cutting-edge talents, even in non-immigrant countries such as Britain and Germany, it is easier for international students to stay after finishing postdoctoral studies. However, it is understood that the purpose of domestic doctoral students studying abroad is very clear, and they are basically directed at learning. For them, it is not immigration that is considered, but the research of the subject. What they are interested in is the advanced nature of China's foreign professional research, especially for science and engineering students, who go abroad for doctoral studies and lock in some topics that cannot be studied at home.

Education experts believe that we should treat this phenomenon rationally. After all, doctoral education is an elite education, which emphasizes research, so it is not widely used. To study for a doctorate abroad, you need to communicate directly with your tutor and read a lot of profound English original professional books, which requires a very high level of English. Therefore, China students should do what they can.