Putian people don't agree that they are Minnan people. What's the difference between Putian and Chaoshan and Minnan and Shanwei?

Let Putian people admit that they are from southern Fujian, just like let Shanghainese admit that they are from Jiangsu, and let Fuqing people and Changle people admit that they are from Putian, which makes people feel ridiculous.

Generally speaking, only people in Chaoshan, Hainan, western Guangdong and other places, some of whose ancestral homes are from Putian, will think that Putian now belongs to the Minnan language family, and its mother tongue is similar to Minnan.

In Fujian province, some Minnan people are very happy to see that they have a younger brother, and began to deliberately publicize and even steal the idea that Putian people belong to Minnan people.

Putian people have not belonged to Minnan since ancient times. According to the Records of Putian County, in the Stone Age, there were traces of human life in Putian. Fujian once belonged to Fujian and Vietnam in Baiyue. During the feudal period, Qin Shihuang unified the six countries, and Fujian was called Minzhong County. The scope of Minzhong County is now not only the whole province of Fujian, but also Chaoshan, Meizhou and Wenzhou, Zhejiang.

From the early administrative divisions of Minzhong County (Fujian), it can also explain why their genealogy now records that their ancestors migrated from Fujian. After the Qin Dynasty unified the six countries, it only abolished the title of King of Fujian and Yue, and nominally established Minzhong County. In fact, it did not send officials to implement effective rule.

Later, after Emperor Gaozu came to power, he restored the former state of Fujian and Yue and renamed Li Wuzhu (the descendant of Gou Jian) as the king of Fujian and Yue.

Time is up in the Western Jin Dynasty. Three years after Taikang in the Western Jin Dynasty, the original Jian 'an County was divided into Jian 'an County and Jin 'an County.

During his prison term (502 ~5 19), Liang' an county was separated from Jin' an county, and governed Xinghua, Quan and Zhang counties.

Xinghua, also known as Putian, is now Bamin, Fujian, which is also the first year of Hongwu in Ming Dynasty. Fujian Eighth Road was changed to Fuzhou, Jianning, Yanping, Shaowu, Xinghua, Quanzhou, Zhangzhou and Tingzhou.

Although Xinghua once belonged to Nan 'an County (now Quanzhou in southern Fujian) in feudal times, it does not mean that Putian belongs to southern Fujian. If you insist that Putian people are from southern Fujian, you can also say that Fujian people are actually from Zhejiang and Jiangsu, because early Fujian and Vietnam were also under the jurisdiction of Yangzhou and Zhejiang.

The first large-scale migration and emigration of Fujian's population should have started after Qin Shihuang unified the six countries. During the Western Jin Dynasty, there was the biggest encounter between the Central Plains people and Fujian people, which was called Fujian Eight Surnames.

And after the Tang and Song Dynasties, Zhongyuan people moved to Fujian in different periods, and these Zhongyuan people chose different destinations.

For example, my family records that those who entered Fujian in the late Tang Dynasty were divided into two categories, one was to settle directly in northern Fujian, and the other was to settle in southern Fujian.

Minnan here does not mean that Putian belongs to Minnan people. Putian is one of the earliest counties in Fujian. According to historical records such as Putian County Records:

In the second year of Chen Guangda in the Southern Dynasties (568), Putian County was established for the first time, which was later abandoned. In the ninth year of Emperor Kai of Sui Dynasty (AD 589), Putian County was established and abolished.

Putian and Minnan have always existed independently, but there have been changes in jurisdiction at different times.

The most important point is that Putian dialect and Minnan dialect are still very different in language. Putian people can't understand Minnan dialect, and Minnan people can't understand Putian dialect.

What's the difference between Putian people and Chaoshan people, Minnan people and Shanwei people? Putian people, Chaoshan, Minnan and Shanwei all belong to coastal areas, and the similarity of these places lies in the inheritance of traditional culture.

In particular, ancestral beliefs have been highly valued in these places for a long time. You don't have to go home during the Spring Festival, but Tomb-Sweeping Day must go back to worship his ancestors.

This can be seen from the fact that every village in these rural areas has an ancestral temple. Ancestral temples are not dedicated to gods, but to their ancestors, belonging to ancestral beliefs.

Moreover, people in these places are hardworking, united and make special efforts.

To say that the differences in these places should lie in the differences in language families. Chaoshan language family is closer to Minnan language family. Even though the ancestors migrated from Putian family, Putian family has not been the local mainstream and will be assimilated by the local Minnan family.

But if you think that these places in Chaoshan can't speak Putian dialect, it means that Putian used to be a Minnan language family, then it's all wet.

In fact, this situation is normal. For example, in many places where dialects are spoken, their descendants have lived in Mandarin for a long time and cannot speak the dialect of their hometown.

But can you assume that they are foreigners just because they can't speak the dialect of their hometown? It is not that they are just assimilated by the environment, but that the genes in their bones are given by their parents.

In addition to language differences, there are also great differences in diet. Many diets in Putian retain the characteristics of the Central Plains people, and then they are improved into foods suitable for the local people according to the local climate and food.

For example, fried dumplings in Henan in the Central Plains, fried dumplings in Putian, and fried dumplings in Putian are richer in stuffing and bigger in size.

People in Henan like to eat pasta as their staple food, and Putian also has it. Putian's noodles belong to dinner, but pasta is rare in the south.

People in the Central Plains have the custom of eating jiaozi from the winter solstice. Putian eats jiaozi, which is similar to jiaozi. It is full of meat.

Finally, in some rural areas of Putian, the custom of sweeping graves from winter solstice is still maintained, instead of sweeping graves in Tomb-Sweeping Day.

Conclusion: Putian belongs to central Fujian, but it has not belonged to southern Fujian since ancient times. Like Putian people, most of their ancestors migrated from the Central Plains.

Just because Putian was under the jurisdiction of Quanzhou in a certain dynasty or period, it cannot be considered that Putian people belong to the Minnan family.

Putian, like Minnan, belongs to Fujian and Vietnam in the middle of Baiyue. Fujian and Vietnam went south several times and assimilated with the Central Plains people, resulting in Putian's unique dialect system.

According to their genealogy, people living in Putian now are primitive people, not Minnan people who are both Fujian and Vietnam people.

As for the relationship between Putian and Minnan and Chaoshan, it is limited to a few times in history, and the family changes make them have the same ancestor in genealogy.

In the early days, the whole of Fujian was under the jurisdiction of Jiangnan, and the saying that Fujian and Zhejiang were one family was very popular among the people. In Guangdong, except Guangfu people, all other places are Fujian and Guangdong.

In fact, both Fujian and Zhejiang families and Fujian and Guangdong families were caused by several large population structures and great changes in history. For Putian and Minnan, this change is mutual because of the close distance. For example, Xiuyu District of Putian is inhabited by some people who moved from Hui 'an. They can speak Minnan dialect and Putian dialect, and Hui 'an also moved from Putian. This kind of population migration at the junction of the two places does not mean anything.

Putian is in the middle of Fujian, so naturally it is not from southern Fujian. Putian and Quanzhou (southern Fujian) live next to each other. In ancient times, there was * * * administration and close contacts (some ancestors of Putian came from southern Fujian, and some ancestors of southern Fujian came from Putian), which will definitely interact and influence each other in cultural customs. Many ancestors of Chaoshan people immigrated from ancient Putian (for example, the ancestors of Chaoshan people written by Li Ka-shing came from Putian, and of course many ancient Putian people came from the Central Plains), and some customs of Chaoshan are similar to Putian. Humans will migrate, and cultures will merge and develop. It is impossible to say who is orthodox and who is original.

Putian people are definitely not from southern Fujian, nor from Fuzhou! That's it. The language is somewhat close to Minnan. How long has Puxian Opera been circulating? Youyang Town, Xianyou, is the seat of ancient Xinghua House. Therefore, many Xianyou people will not take the initiative to say that they are from Putian, but will only say that I am a Xianyou. Moreover, there were Yongtai, Minqing, Changle, Fuqing and Minhou in Putian for some time after the founding of the People's Republic of China. Do you know Zheng Baoyong, the second person of Huawei? It used to be said that it was from Putian area. Because it was not until 1983 that Changle was included in Fuzhou after administrative adjustment. At present, Fujian prefecture-level cities are basically divided by dialects.

In the ancient war era, people from the north moved to the south to escape the war. Most Fujian people immigrated from Henan, Shaanxi and Shanxi, but many of them moved to Putian. After living for a period of time, many people continue to migrate to southern Fujian and Guangdong. So many Chaoshan genealogies are recorded as migrating from Putian, probably because they miss their hometown.

I am from Chaoyang, and my ancestors are from Putian County. I always thought Putian was from southern Fujian, because Chaoshan dialect was divided into Minnan dialect by the state. There are rumors that Zhangzhou and Chaozhou are different, and Zhangzhou and Chaozhou are no different. Later, because of my working relationship, I met Putian fellow villagers and Hainan natives in Hainan for some time. Many of their languages can be connected, because many of Hainan's ancestral homes are also from Putian. It may be that Chaoshan is close to southern Fujian, or that the language of Putian's hometown has changed later for historical reasons. In any case, people in these places are the most United and hardworking people outside. I don't think it makes any difference. Our ancestors all came from the Central Plains. We are the purest Han people, and we all retain the most traditional culture in the Central Plains.

At the end of the Song Dynasty, the Mongolian army entered Fujian, and Putian Wei stubbornly resisted, which led to the massacre of the Mongolian army, and the remaining Putian people migrated to Chaoshan in large numbers. After Putian Wei became an empty city, Xinghua Army settled in. This Xinghua army is a mixed corps of northern soldiers and Jiangsu and Zhejiang soldiers. After hundreds of years of integration, the present Putian people (excluding Xianyou people) have been formed. Therefore, the language of Putian is neither like Minnan nor Fuqing, but Fuqing has been under its jurisdiction for a period of time, so the population has merged and a few languages are close. Since Putian County was under the jurisdiction of Jinjiang in ancient times, the language of Jieyang (except Raoping) in Shantou Chaozhou dialect is close to Quanfu dialect. Raoping approached Zhangzhou cavity. As for Hailufeng, it is more like Zhangzhou dialect 400 years ago, probably related to the migration of Nanming ethnic groups.

There are many similarities between language families and human customs. For example, I am from Chaoshan, and my hometown indicates that I immigrated from Putian to Chaoshan to build a village around 600 years ago.

The questioner has a problem, and 99% of them are insane.

Putian City is in the middle of Fujian, speaking Puxian dialect/Xinghua dialect of Fujian language family.

Formerly known as Xinghua, it has a history of several thousand years. It has the reputation of "Zou Lu on the seashore and a famous literary country".

In history, many Putian officials were sent abroad to work in Guangdong and settled in Guangdong, becoming the ancestor of local surnames.

There were three mass migrations.

It was a great sacrifice to resist ethnic minorities twice to protect the Han Dynasty. Once, in order to resist the Mongolian Song Dynasty, Putian was the most fierce battlefield against Mongolian soldiers, and hundreds of thousands of ordinary people were forced to migrate to eastern Guangdong and western Guangdong. The second time I came back to the Qing Dynasty to regain my sight, which was cut off by the dog emperor of the Qing Dynasty. Hundreds of thousands of people were forced to move to eastern Guangdong and western Guangdong again.

Another time, at the end of the Ming Dynasty, there was chaos in the southeast coast, and a large number of people migrated to eastern Guangdong and western Guangdong.

Putian Chaoshan has a long history, brotherly relationship and old clan relationship.

Ancient Putian used to be a part of southern Fujian, and later it was infiltrated by Fuzhou in eastern Fujian, forming the present Putian culture. Quanzhou wants to thank Putian.

Putian is definitely not from Minnan or Fuzhou. Several years ago, he went to Chaozhou to buy ceramics. The boss said that his ancestral home was Putian, Fujian, and he was from Guangdong, Shanwei. What's the difference between Minnan and Xianwei? I think the language is different.