Should the members of the owners' committee be paid —— Discussion with Mr. Lin Yihai (VI)

Lin Yihai: It is said that it has been 30 years since the reform and opening up, and the concept of paying according to work has long been deeply rooted in the hearts of the people. Why is this problem still bothering the majority of owners? Many owners say, since your candidates all say that public welfare is to protect the rights and interests of owners, what else should they be paid? So it seems that the problem is not complicated. As long as your candidate no longer says that he is doing public welfare, but stands up and works for the owner, there should be no dispute. Isn't the president paid to work for the people? Why shouldn't the work of the owners' committee be paid? However, this is often the case. The simpler the problem, the more complicated it is for some people. For example, some people who want to join the owners' committee deliberately spread the fallacy that the owners' committee is a non-profit organization in order to exclude others from competition. These people use the traditional thinking of China people who are used to judging problems from their personal morality, arguing that they should not be paid, and are eager to claim that they will not be paid if they are elected. In fact, these people didn't tell the whole story. At least a considerable number of them don't seem to get paid after being elected, but they often get much more compensation from the property company by colluding with the property company to do things for the property company or directly misappropriating public funds belonging to the owners. There are too many such things. Two years ago, under the guidance of so-called community experts, a so-called "property trust" model was established in Langqinyuan community. It is very serious to claim that any owner can hold an owners' meeting at any time to supervise and dismiss the owners' committee, and he also appeared on CCTV news programs. Only two months later, the director of the owners' committee was arrested for misappropriating public funds, which made everyone realize that these people were just fooling the owners. Of course, these self-righteous speculative owners and so-called community experts are also humiliated. This is what Lu Xun pointed out: there are tricks. Mr. Chen: Mr. Lin means to submit it to the owners' Committee? But even if you get paid, it can't be much. At most, it is higher than the average social wage. I'm afraid this can't satisfy the greedy people's desires, and they will still play tricks to make money. Lin Yihai: Yes, so the question is not whether there is remuneration, but whether it can be effectively supervised. If there is an effective supervision mechanism, why not pay some remuneration? Managers of property companies can get high salaries with the property fees paid by the owners. Why can't the owners get a high salary when they are elected to the owners' committee? Lao Huang: It's not complicated to say, but I just can't convince everyone. Lin Yihai: It's not that you can't convince everyone, but that the candidates themselves are always reluctant to set up a decision-making body like the owners' meeting to restrict their own problems. So they always claim to be virtuous and want to work for everyone for free. In fact, it is playing with psychological hints that there is no need for supervision, so that everyone feels that since they are busy and have no interest in coming out to work, how can they be ashamed to supervise people who are willing to come out to work? Mr. Chen: What are the advantages of submitting it to the owners' committee? Lin Yihai: First of all, we can establish and carry forward the modern moral concept of getting paid according to work and abandon the wrong concept of getting something for nothing; Then, we can encourage more talented and decent people, especially those who are willing to pay for their work, to stand up and serve everyone; Third, we can prompt and urge everyone to think and discuss the establishment of a supervision mechanism. In this way, first of all, those speculative owners who are actually afraid of supervision under the banner of free public welfare can be excluded from the candidates, because when they see the supervision mechanism, they naturally feel that speculation is unlikely to succeed, and there is almost no room for speculation, so they will naturally not be fooled. Chen: Then I still want to ask a question. Didn't the new guidelines say that a board of supervisors can be set up? If the board of supervisors is established, even if the owners' committee does not pay wages, can it prevent speculative owners from entering the owners' committee to make waves? Lin Yihai: Without the decision of the owners' meeting, the board of supervisors is almost useless. Three years ago, a community called Times Manor set up a board of supervisors. At that time, I said it was useless. Facts over the past three years have proved that it is really useless. Why? Because although the board of supervisors can find the problems of the owners' committee in time, it has no right of recall, and it still has to be submitted to the so-called owners' meeting for voting. As repeatedly discussed, it is very difficult to hold a general meeting of owners in a community with many owners, and it is even more difficult to stipulate that the owners' Committee should hold it. Similarly, in the case of only the board of supervisors and no owners' meeting, it is useless to stipulate that the remuneration should be paid to the owners' committee, because it is impossible to stipulate that the board of supervisors should assess the amount of remuneration paid to members every month. Lao Huang; Why can't we stipulate the assessment decision of the board of supervisors? Lin Yihai: Then you should stipulate that members of the board of supervisors should also be paid. Otherwise, the supervisor will hold the owners' committee all day, or the members of the owners' committee will not go home for several days. How about paying a few people on the board of supervisors? How many people will be paid in the end, and the owner can't say for sure. Mr. Chen: According to your logic, even if the owners' meeting is set up to make decisions and supervise the owners' committee, the representatives of the owners' meeting should be paid, right? If you take it, more people will take it. If they don't take it, will they still convene the owners' Committee? Lin Yihai: This seminar is more and more specific and in-depth, so it will not be fooled by the empty slogan of "doing public welfare" and "learning from Lei Feng" played by speculative owners. Supposedly, the representatives of the owners' congress and the members of the board of supervisors are also paid, but after all, the work of the representatives is not routine, and it may take a month or two or even months to hold a meeting. Of course, the workload will not be too great, and the representative's demand for remuneration will not be strong, so a little reward can be given without token. As for the board of supervisors, the workload will not be much, so we can take less. Most importantly, after the mechanism of owners' meeting and board of supervisors is established, the owners' committee is established. A song of heaven: Even so, many people get paid. How to solve the source of such a sum of money? The draft submitted by the preparatory group said that all owners should pay according to their own housing area and how much money per square meter. Everyone is unwilling. How can we solve this problem? Lin Yihai: I repeat, if there is a decision-making mechanism such as the owners' meeting, this problem can be easily solved, because such a mechanism can unite all owners to form the consent will, so that you can negotiate with the property management company to see if there are huge profits in the property management fee. If there are huge profits, of course, it should be paid from the property management fee. The reason why your community preparatory group said in the draft that everyone should pay the money except the property fee should be considered that if it is stipulated in the draft that it should be paid from the property fee, then the property company will block the adoption of such a draft statute. Why is the preparatory group afraid of property companies? Isn't it because you are afraid of being supervised after the establishment of the owners' meeting? Of course, people who are afraid of supervision are guilty and there is nothing they can do. Lao Huang: What if the property management company says that there is no profiteering in property fees, or even because many owners don't pay property fees, there is no profit? Lin Yihai: Even if not, it is still a hypothesis. If not, people would have left long ago. What are we talking about here? Now it's easy to say even if there is no huge profits, because it's easy to explain. More and more owners are unwilling to pay property fees because they feel that they are not the owners of the community, and of course they won't believe that the fees of your property company are reasonable. Now with the owners' meeting, the owners' committee will examine the expenditure of property fees. As long as it is found that there is no profiteering and the cost is reasonable, most owners will consciously.