How about CLP 14, and what is the treatment for master's and doctor's degree?

The introduction of CLP 14 and the treatment of masters and doctors include the following contents:

20 19 Xiao Shuo, an employee of 985 Research Department, has left his post. Talk about my understanding of 14 research institute.

This answer is the most objective answer, mainly thinking about the system. Let me talk about my feelings from the personal point of view of the researcher. Due to confidentiality and other reasons, there is relatively little information about the institute on the Internet.

A considerable number of people have the impression that: 1, the work intensity is lower than that of the Internet and Huawei; 2. The provident fund is very high (50%) and the salary is generous; 3, stable work, no midlife crisis; 4, the pressure is small, they have their own lives and develop their own hobbies; 5. Only the school recruit can enter the institute, and there is no chance to enter the institute this year. If you come to the institute, you can go to a private enterprise if you are not satisfied, but you can't go to the institute if you go to a private enterprise.

Most people know nothing about the content, form and environment of work. Next, I will give my own understanding and views on these five points, which only apply to the master of research department. Screenshots of the discussion in the answer came from many forums, such as Pulse, Tigers, Zhihu and so on. To prove that the statement is as objective as possible.

About the intensity of work. If you are in a research institute, the research department has a fixed single room holiday, and the normal working hours of a week are 8: 30-20: 00 (in fact, it is often above 20: 00). When you are busy, such as bidding, it is normal to work overtime until evening 10 or even early morning. Go to work regularly on Saturday and get off work relatively early than a week. There is no overtime pay for overtime work, regardless of holidays or weekends.

Holidays are basically overtime. Take the National Day holiday as an example. Many colleagues have to work overtime for three or four days. It is said that some departments will take overtime hours into account to assess performance, but I am not sure. Generally speaking, overtime is very intense. Outside the research institute, the travel intensity of the research department is very strong. Business trips during school are to attend conferences in various cities, while most of the master's business trips in the institute are to various outfields.

Travel time: The first part and the third part have the longest travel time. Some colleagues in the first department can travel for more than two or three hundred days a year, while some colleagues in the third department spend half a year on business trips. This is decided by one department taking overall responsibility and three software debugging. The second part does system and display control, the travel time is less than the first part and the third part, and the corresponding treatment is much worse than the first part and the third part. Because of the need for on-site debugging, compared with ordinary enterprises, there are still more business trips.

There are fewer business trips in the four departments, and overtime work in the office is still very top. The length of business trip varies from person to person. Some people have doubts about life, while others have not for a year or two. Personally, there are two main reasons: First, as a manufacturing industry, the design, production and delivery of radar is a long process. Different teams are in different stages, some in the design stage, some in the debugging and experimental stage.

Employees of different teams travel differently. Secondly, different departments have different product types and different cycle lengths. Some don't need to travel frequently, and some may stay for half a year. Some masters will be assigned to the pre-research team when they first join the job, so the intensity of business trip will be less, and then they will be assigned uniformly after the internship period.

There is no clear boundary between different teams in the same department, and there will be telephone calls between them when there is a lack of business travel. Generally speaking, the overall travel intensity of the research department is relatively high. Under the premise that the nature of the department remains unchanged, high-intensity business trips will always come sooner or later.

The location and environment of business trip are widely distributed, including suburbs, Gobi, seaside and islands. Most of the environment is bad. Imagine factories and workshops in the suburbs.

Mobile phones are not allowed to be used on business trips (in principle), and some departments may even be out of contact for several days or dozens of days. Some places are too remote (islands and Gobi desert, etc.). ), and it is difficult to deal with emergencies, such as illness.

During the business trip, the work intensity is very high, mostly 9/ 10 from 8: 00 to 9: 00. It is normal to work until two or three in the morning when you are busy.

Sometimes a month, you can stay up for several nights. When traveling in the wild, it is endless, that is, it rotates around the clock seven days a week. Don't work overtime on Sunday night as a rest. As for the intensity of travel after several years of work, as the quoted answer says, the higher the level, the greater the responsibility, and the problem of travel will not be solved over time. Some people will be transferred to the management department in a few years, and their treatment will drop accordingly.

Job-hopping is a metaphysical thing, and many people are fighting for a good department. Whether you can succeed or not is related to your background and personal ability. In addition, some departments are not allowed to bring electronic devices such as mobile phones into the office. Due to confidentiality, many restrictions and complicated procedures.

About treatment and provident fund.

The internship period has only a basic salary and no performance. The average salary of internship is about 4000 yuan, and the duration is 7 months. The law stipulates that the three-year contract internship period should not exceed six months, but the institute will pay seven months' internship salary. In addition to salary and performance, there are also provident fund and oil supplement, housing supplement and meal supplement. General contracting is about 8k per month.

After the master's degree is transferred to full-time, the position is engineer assistant, and the income includes salary+performance. After becoming a full member, the monthly basic salary is only over 2k, and the big head is all performance. In this way, paid vacation becomes paid vacation. It is also for this reason that all the colleagues who joined in July of 19 are miserable.

Joined in July, and there was no year-end bonus in the first year. The internship period has just passed, because the epidemic can't start work in time, and the income is pitiful, which also affects the income of the provident fund in the next year. There was a cry.

About 50% of the provident fund is calculated according to the income of the previous year. The first year is calculated at 50% of the basic salary. Due to the low basic salary, the monthly bilateral provident fund is about 2.7k However, due to the seven-month internship period in the first year, when calculating the provident fund in the second year, the base is still very low, and most people are only a few hundred yuan more than the first year, which is about 3k.

Assuming that other enterprises get the offer of base 14k (this base is very low for the double 985 master of electronic information), according to the calculation of unilateral provident fund 12%, then excluding the year-end bonus, the monthly bilateral provident fund is about 3.4k. If calculated according to the discount of base20k, the monthly provident fund is around 4.8k.

Therefore, in the first two years, the master's income (basic salary+performance) and the provident fund have all been hanged.

In the third year, the provident fund can be greatly increased, but two years later, students from both the Internet and Huawei have already had their first savings and raised their wages.

At present, most people's provident fund can reach about 1W every month after three years, which means that the annual salary before tax is above 20W. The premise is that you can survive the first two years and adapt to the work intensity of overtime on business trips in the future.

If you don't give up halfway, I'm sorry, these two years have been wasted.

Interestingly, before joining the job, many people were very disdainful of the 28 black schools in the whole network. And many people who can't survive choose to leave their jobs and go to 28 or other research institutes. Although the work intensity of 28 institutes is also great, the salary is indeed higher, especially for new employees. Take the travel allowance as an example. The daily travel allowance of the institute is 120~ 180 yuan, and that of 28 institutes is 180~380 yuan.

Finally, in recent years, the treatment of new employees in the institute is getting worse every year.

Working stability

Undoubtedly, the Military Industry Research Institute, as a central enterprise, is more stable than private enterprises such as Huawei and the Internet. But compared with other state-owned enterprises, the stability is not much worse. There are three questions:

(1) career establishment.

According to hr, all the staff in the institute have career preparation, which is called "new career preparation". But colleagues are generally skeptical. In recent years, the reform trend of CLP Group is enterprise, and everyone is a contract worker. Take 54 places as an example. Last year was the last year for them to prepare for their careers. The enterprise trend of scientific research institutes in the south is more obvious.

Personally, I feel that the career establishment in the institute now exists in name only, and the most obvious basis is the last elimination system in the institute.

(2) the last elimination system.

The institute implements the bottom elimination system. Personally, I think it may not be as strict as private enterprises, but the final elimination still exists.

(3) turnover rate.

The turnover rate of new employees is high. Most of the fresh graduates who can enter 14 Institute are related to electronic information and are excellent students. They came in with several letters of appointment in their hands, only to find that they made serious mistakes in decision-making because of lack of information.

For new employees, the second part is related to software, with the highest turnover rate. But this does not mean that employees in other departments have no plans to leave. There are several main reasons for not leaving your job:

After staying in the institute for a period of time, it is difficult to jump out because of the long isolation from the outside world and the serious technical mismatch. Some departments that do not do specific technology may be more obvious.

All projects are confidential. How to write a resume?

Endless business trips and intense overtime make it difficult for people to have the energy to find a new job.

Finally, if you leave after being classified, the general classification needs to be decrypted in the office for one year and the important classification for three years.

Finally, the employees in the research department are relatively old. Most of the key personnel in R&D are in their early 30s. Many old employees choose to change jobs or leave their jobs.

About the quality of life

Overtime and single rest are still very tiring. From double break to single break, it seems that the working hours are only one more day, but the work-rest ratio has directly increased from 2.5: 1 to 6: 1. Working overtime for a week, I just want to stay in bed for one day on Sunday. This is probably the same as Huawei. Ha ha. Students who surf the internet also work overtime a lot, but mostly on weekends or weeks, and they are in a better mood. Students who go to foreign companies are the best, not only for weekends, but also for overtime pay as stipulated by law.

Colleagues on business trips have worse quality of life. On the one hand, it is separated from family for a long time. During pregnancy, my husband is still out on a business trip for a long time, so he can't go home or even contact anyone. On the other hand, I eat and live with my colleagues every day and have no private space. At the same time, the uncertainty of rest days makes it difficult for people to arrange what they want to do in their spare time.

In addition, the college prohibits sideline business. In some confidential departments and outfields, mobile phones are forbidden to be brought in and used, and stocks cannot be speculated.

Many employees in the institute, especially new employees, have low happiness. Many people come from ordinary families, hoping to find a job with a stable income and an upper-middle income, and then find themselves dissatisfied with the job. But their family situation is not enough to support their courage to try and make mistakes in job-hopping, so they can only continue to work and accept after a few years. Many people who really can't accept it or have a good family background have chosen to leave.

About leaving the company

Regarding the turnover cycle, most of the internship colleagues leave in about one to two months. Due to the confidentiality period, the turnover period of employees after confidentiality is generally longer. However, it seems that you can go to a less strict state-owned enterprise unit to entrust decryption.

For colleagues who leave during the internship period, many enterprises do not admit that they have lost the valuable identity of fresh graduates and participated in school recruitment; However, when participating in social recruitment, there is no work experience. Many enterprises will clearly stipulate that they will have N years of work experience when recruiting.

Therefore, the scope of choice has dropped sharply, which is much more difficult than school enrollment. Take Huawei and ZTE as examples. Huawei's low-level social organizations only recruit od positions, while ZTE requires more than one year's work experience. Many internet companies, such as Baidu, also have some restrictions.

For employees who work long hours, on the one hand, they are restricted by confidentiality agreements when they leave their jobs, and they need to keep secrets in the office for a long time; On the other hand, there are places to go out every year. In other words, if the number of resignation places is full this year, then you need to wait in line to leave. I really can't understand this wonderful rule.

The whole resignation process has more than a dozen departments to sign, which is very complicated. But I'm not sure it's unique.

It is very difficult to switch from 14 to enterprise. The reason refers to the turnover rate in the third point. At the same time, the recognition of research institutes in enterprises is very low. However, if you just want to change your unit and don't consider jumping out of the military industry, the problem is not big, because the military industry where 14 is located is very recognized, so it is relatively easy to go to other research institutes.

If enterprises jump into research institutes, many research institutes are openly recruited, and many people in research institutes also go to other research institutes through recruitment after leaving their jobs. 14 There are fewer places for social recruitment, but there will still be.

Suggestion:

If the soldiers are particularly emotional, overtime, business trips, confidentiality restrictions, treatment, life, family and other factors do not need to be considered, then come.

If you have doubts when you see the online spit, but you still feel uneasy when you don't see it with your own eyes, don't come. Because you reject this value, once it is found to be true, it will not adapt, but will become very painful. Unless the environment changes, this is not realistic in the short term.

If you really want to make money, don't come, because you were poor for at least the first two years.

If you value your family, don't come, because the atmosphere in the school is the dedication of "giving up your family for everyone", and you can't take care of your family.

If you want to have your own life and have some hobbies, don't come, because overtime and business trips are not allowed.

If you want private space, because you have to be with your colleagues every day on a business trip, that's not available.

If you really want to come, it is recommended to contact your brothers and sisters who work in the department to understand the internal work of the department and come back. There are great differences between different departments within the same department. If you don't know anything, aren't you gambling?

Other ideas:

More interestingly, many people gave up Huawei's offer and went to the institute, but the institute spoke highly of Huawei. More than one old employee talked to me. The recruitment in previous years was much more deserted than now, but in recent years, I don't know why, many excellent experts have come.

The most obvious point is that the number of doctors in Qingbei has increased in recent years, and the proportion has increased significantly compared with before. Everything has two sides. On the one hand, the scientific research strength of the institute has been enhanced, on the other hand, the development space of masters and doctors has been further squeezed. The proportion of excellent doctors among leaders is getting higher and higher. By the way, some doctors are also very fierce when they travel and work overtime. This varies from person to person.

I thought about it and think there are three reasons.

The hard power in the institute is really strong, which is also the most fundamental reason. Although the technical advantages are not as obvious as before, it is still the industry leader.

After the salary increase in the first two years, the treatment of doctors has been greatly improved. Doctors' settling-in expenses are divided into three grades, and the best doctors' settling-in expenses+annual salary can reach nearly one million in the first year. During the internship, the master gets an average of 4k per month, only a little more than 2k per month, and the doctor gets about 2W4 per month (excluding the provident fund). You know, the monthly income of 20k is calculated according to the unilateral provident fund 12%. After deducting social security, taxes and provident fund, it is less than 15k, so this treatment is really high.

Serious information asymmetry:

After the salary adjustment, the external impression is that the provident fund is extremely high, the industry leader, and the resettlement fee is expensive; Coupled with the consistent view of the institute of leisure and old-age care, it is natural to feel that the cost performance is very high.

Due to the particularity of the work of the Military Industry Research Institute, on the one hand, employees generally have a sense of confidentiality, on the other hand, they are also afraid of being stuck in positioning. Therefore, unlike the crazy spit of Internet employees, there are few employees in the institute who speak out. This is a very interesting phenomenon:

The online pursuit of the institute is basically the intuitive impression of people who have never worked in the institute, but the form and intensity of the work are rarely voiced by employees.

In the interview, the office basically doesn't explain or pass by issues such as business trip, overtime, confidentiality and treatment. This has caused a serious information asymmetry problem.

Many people think that Zhihu's speech is obviously biased, because Zhihu's admiration for the Internet.

After a year's work, I found myself in the ivory tower of the school for so long, and those incredible spit sounds like deliberate smearing.

There is a lot of hard work in the world. Workers who study machinery in factories, workers who repair railways, construction workers, stall owners who leave early and return late, and employees in workshops are all very hard. Not only the salary is low, but also the working environment is very poor. The status of workers and peasants has been misplaced, especially in the system of our socialist country.

Do they have low academic qualifications? Not necessarily, many of them are also masters of 9852 1 1. But the engineer bonus is never an engineer bonus, and the demographic dividend is never a demographic dividend. We are proud of the crazy speed of infrastructure construction. If you understand, you will find that it is bought by many people who work day and night, with sweat and even life.

For many working people, 996 is really their blessing. It's just that they don't have the awareness and tools to speak like programmers.

Generally speaking, after three years, the treatment in the institute is not bad. However, combined with many factors such as high-intensity overtime, business trips, and confidentiality restrictions. Personally, I feel that the cost performance is very low. Especially because of the wrong impression of the institute and the serious asymmetry of information, many people's working status after joining the company completely violates their original purpose.

Finally, some unimportant but important things:

For many people, especially those working people at the bottom who have no choice at all, companies that violate labor laws and poor working environment are commonplace. The working environment of the whole society is not fragmented. Most people are just a nobody in the tide of the times, and everyone is affected by it.

But at least, when we have a choice, we will defend a fair and legal working environment. This is not only aimed at a company, but should be the attitude of the younger generation. Can speak and do things. In the future 10~20 years, it will become the main force of this society after 90, 90 or even 00. Intellectuals such as college students and masters are undoubtedly more voice-conscious and have more right to speak.