Why so many people gave up on Alibaba’s offer this year?

In fact, I also got an offer from Alibaba during this year’s school recruitment season.

Then, he refused without hesitation. . .

The reasons are nothing more than the following:

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1. Money

To put it bluntly, the price Ali offered to fresh graduates this year is totally without sincerity.

The questioner said that the money offered by Alibaba this year is the lowest among the three BAT companies. I have not done a large-scale survey, but judging from the small-scale sample of surrounding students, it is basically reliable. Taking R&D as an example, Alibaba’s wholesale price this year is 13*15, Baidu’s is 14*14.6. Tencent doesn’t get many, but the lowest price is the same as Alibaba. This is the normal range.

Students with slightly better skills can get SP. Alibaba’s A is 15*15, and Baidu’s early approval for school recruitment is 16*14.6. Tencent doesn’t understand it. Compared with BA and BA alone, Alibaba still lost. One chip. Moreover, judging from the people around me, the proportion of SP obtained by Baidu is much greater than that of Alibaba.

As for other Internet companies, let alone Meituan, Dianping, Sogou, etc., they are basically a step above Alibaba. In terms of remuneration, Alibaba has no advantage at all. .

I participated in the Alibaba campus recruitment in September this year and successfully got the offer. When I went to attend the roundtable discussion, I was told that the price was wholesale. Since I already had offers from other companies and the salary was much higher than Alibaba, I implicitly expressed my dissatisfaction with the salary to HR. After hearing this, the HR lady immediately looked filled with righteous indignation and educated me earnestly, "Fresh graduates should not pay too much attention to the starting salary" and "Do you care so much about the difference of several thousand dollars per month?" . .

I saw a post on Zhihu before. The answer with the highest score can be the best reply to this HR:

Why is it said that programmers should not be too busy in the first three years? Do you value salary level?

This has been well summarized. In the final analysis, it comes down to one sentence:

Really good companies will talk to you about money, stocks, and options, and give you real benefits. Get it into your hands, and then let you work with peace of mind;

An unauthentic company talks to you about life, ideals, and values, then fools you into it, and then squeezes out the remaining use value of you.

It seems that Ali is more like the latter.

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2. HR, culture and values

First tell me a real person around you .

There was a big guy in the dormitory next door who got offers from Facebook and Google headquarters. Of course, he also got offers from Alibaba at the beginning. This kind of person obviously didn't like Ali, so the three parties never sent it. Later, HR from Alibaba called to urge me. After getting through, he said two words:

"Student XX, why haven't you made the three-way payment yet? Do you still want to come?"< /p>

"Oh, that's it. I got an offer from another company, and I decided not to go to Alibaba..."

There was silence for a while, and then the climax came. ,

"Classmate, are you still awake?"

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Ali’s interview is very strange , after all the technical interviews, there will be a round of HR interviews. This HR has great power and has a veto power. It can completely overturn all the evaluations made by the previous interviewers and decide whether to kill you.

Many of my classmates died at the hands of these HRs.

Actually, this is not the weird part. After the technical interview, just ask behavioral questions to see if you are comfortable, gregarious, and have any psychological barriers. Very normal. Each company also has this link in the final interview, usually with a relatively high-level person, such as Baidu's director interview, Microsoft's AA interview, etc.

The strange thing about Alibaba is that the person who decides your life or death in the end is an administrative staff who is completely untechnical, and his level is not that high, and the core of the interview is only one:

Values.

When I typed out these three words, the beauty of the previous classes on Si Xiu, Ma Zhe, Mao and Deng San, Chinese Characteristics, and Socialist Theory immediately came to my mind (sha ) Good (bi) time.

How dare you question what Jack Ma said? Fail!

How dare you disrespect Alibaba’s corporate culture? Fail!

How dare you disagree with Taobao? Marketing concept?fail!

How dare you not work overtime?fail!

How dare you look down on us HR?fail!!!

From HR in The weight they hold in the entire interview can reveal the status of the company's executives, and thus the company's culture and value orientation.

A truly engineer-centered company would never allow executives to have such great power. What HR should do is to cooperate with the engineers as much as possible during the interview process and provide necessary help, rather than overturning the engineers' evaluations and conclusions. Judging from the companies I have interviewed, Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, and even domestic Baidu and NetEase are all like this, but Alibaba is not.

It is precisely this exaggerated and rotten bureaucratic culture that completely destroyed many technical experts' beautiful ideals for Ali, making them determined to give up Ali's offer.

At the same time, it is not difficult to understand that in such a company where brainwashingism that advocates so-called "values" is prevalent, these HR people will naturally have an illusion:

Ali It is a great grace to send you an offer. You should immediately send the three parties over and kneel and lick me.

What? You got other offers and don’t want to come? You haven’t woken up yet, have you!

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3. Prospects

The most important question left is, what will I become if I go to Alibaba?

In fact, since Alibaba was listed on the New York Stock Exchange From the moment the bell rings, the company no longer needs partners, but screws.

Those who really eat the meat have already made a lot of money. As vested interests, these people no longer have a strong enterprising spirit and fighting spirit, but the company must continue to operate, so New people must be recruited.

Alibaba recruits 1,500 HCs in the first batch of schools this year. It is not a big move, but what they really want to recruit is not the elites and experts, but those who are basically decent and can endure hardships and work overtime. , just ordinary programmers who agree with Alibaba’s values.

Won’t come from Qingbei? It doesn’t matter, we can recruit people from China Five.

Hua Wu also rejected us? It doesn’t matter, we will recruit others from 985 and 211.

What, they want to break the contract too? It doesn’t matter, there are still two and three copies.

The questioner said that many students around him had given up on Alibaba’s offer. This just shows that you are in a relatively excellent environment, and the students around you have a higher vision and can find better offers.

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Give another example from around me:

There is a classmate who is very good. Someone who has published papers at top conferences has received offers from Baidu and Alibaba at the same time, both at wholesale prices. He is not very satisfied and plans to argue.

Call Baidu HR. They were very polite and said, classmate, please give us the relevant materials and we will see if we can help you apply for SP.

Call Alibaba HR, they are very awesome there, they said that’s all, come and go if you like it, or get out if you don’t.

If it were you, who would you choose?

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In fact, when it comes to this, the problem The answer is already very clear: