What is the treatment like in an ordinary undergraduate school after graduating with a Ph.D.? What's the future?

When a doctor enters a university, the salary and income are generally divided into several categories: basic salary income + workload income + scientific research project income + extra income (lectures abroad, judges, company consultants, etc.)

The experience of me and my PhD classmates is that there won’t be much difference between a PhD student entering an ordinary university and a 211 or 985 university in terms of basic salary income + workload income. Not only that, there are quite a few ordinary universities where these two incomes are higher. Much larger than 211 or 985 universities.

When I graduated with my Ph.D., among the several schools to choose from, there were one 985, one 211, and an ordinary university. The income promised by the school and what I learned privately is that the income of 985 and 211 programs is not as good as that of other ordinary colleges and universities.

Now I have many PhD students in 985 and 211 universities, as well as many PhD students in ordinary undergraduate schools. Sometimes when we have class reunions or chat privately, we often find: 985 or 211 are actually not as good as ordinary universities in terms of salary income.

There will also be differences in income and benefits between ordinary undergraduate colleges: for example, between different schools in the same city. Taking Tianjin as an example, there are also differences in the income and benefits of teachers at Tianjin Normal University, Tianjin University of Finance and Economics, Tianjin University of Technology and Tianjin University of Science and Technology. There are also differences in the treatment of schools in different cities: for example, first-tier cities basically no longer have special treatment for talents, but second-tier and third-tier cities still have talent treatment for PhDs, promising various scientific research start-up fees, talent introduction fees and settlement fees. etc.

Generally speaking, the income and benefits for PhD students entering universities in coastal cities with high GDP are higher than those entering universities in inland western areas. One of my former graduate students entered a university in southwest China after completing his PhD. I saw his salary slip last year, and his monthly income including provident fund income was roughly around 7,000-8,000. Now, for PhD students entering our school, their monthly income is roughly around 11,000-12,000.

In terms of scientific research project income + extra income (lectures abroad, judges, company consultants, etc.), the opportunities for professors at prestigious universities are much higher than those at ordinary universities.

In terms of development prospects, although entering ordinary colleges and universities is not as good as 985 or 211 in terms of development platforms and development opportunities, if the subject is a national key or double first-class discipline, a doctoral student can There is also a lot of room for development. For example, as a local general university, our school has produced several Yangtze River scholars in national key subjects. The school’s national social science projects and national self-study projects can also win about 20 projects every year.

In summary, there are many variables involved in getting a doctorate into an ordinary university, which cannot be generalized and require specific analysis of specific circumstances.

The above is for reference.

Answer/Shuai Xiaoxi De -- looking forward to answering your questions!

In Xiaoxi's view, the treatment in ordinary undergraduate schools is also "ordinary", and the corresponding assessment pressure is also "ordinary".

The above picture shows the number of doctoral graduates and enrollment in our country every year. You will find that there was a period of high growth after 2000. After that, under the background of the expansion of undergraduate and master's enrollment, Instead, it began to tighten its enrollment plan, increase the requirements for doctoral graduation, and slow down the growth rate of enrollment and graduation numbers. This is also the reason why many students find that the previously rumored "there is no doctorate that cannot be passed" does not seem to be the case.

According to the "2018 National Education Development Statistical Bulletin" released by the Ministry of Education in July 2019, my country enrolled 95,500 doctoral students in 2018, 389,500 doctoral students were studying, and 60,700 graduated doctoral students. . The 2019 data is not used because the number of people who can be awarded doctorates in December is not yet known, and the 2019 data will not be released until 2020.

Although 60,000 doctoral students graduate every year, it is initially estimated that the total number of people who have been awarded doctorates as of September 2019 is only about 900,000. In the context of China with a population of 1.4 billion, 6.4 per 10,000 people The proportion is still considered scarce. Therefore, it is not accurate for some people to directly define "Doctor's Bad Street".

However, as various domestic institutions have increased demand for high-level education, they have also put forward higher requirements for the quality of PhDs. In the talent policies of many domestic provinces in 2019, the levels of PhDs are distinguished, such as leading academic talents, academic leaders, academic backbones, and outstanding PhDs.

Freshly graduated Ph.D.s are only regarded as the introduction of outstanding Ph.D.s, and may even be classified as Category I and Category II, and the relative benefits and benefits they enjoy are relatively low. Some people have questioned before that, if you look at a certain university recruiting Ph.D.s, they will receive an annual salary of 2 million, a scientific research start-up fee of 10 million, team building, etc., but this is really not the treatment that ordinary Ph.D. graduates can enjoy.

In my definition, "ordinary undergraduate schools" are some good double non-universities, that is, traditional first- and second-level colleges and universities. Most people would not include independent colleges and private universities in the ranks of "general undergraduate schools".

When doctors are introduced, there will be some corresponding policies, such as a settlement allowance of 150,000-450,000 per person and a scientific research start-up fee of 200,000-600,000 per person. The specific amount depends on the assessment indicators stipulated in the school's talent documents and the individual's level of excellence. As far as I know, many universities still release it in batches, with a two-year mid-term assessment, and the subsequent 50% will be released only after passing the assessment.

For those who graduate with a doctorate and enter ordinary universities, the salary score is high. Taking Changsha as an example, if you do not take the "specially appointed associate professor" green channel, the annual salary of an ordinary lecturer is about 100,000-150,000 yuan (including year-end performance). The salary you get every month is really not high. According to the standard of "Level 10 Intermediate (Lecturer)", after deducting five insurances and one housing fund, you can get 5,500-6,000 yuan per month. In the same way, the income of a level 5 associate senior or a level 2 full senior is much higher than this number.

Why do I always mention "excellent" PhDs?

Just because the more "ordinary universities" you are in, the higher the scientific research rewards (because there are few teachers who can achieve such results, they need to be heavily encouraged; on the contrary, ordinary results from 985 universities are not valued). For example, the scientific research awards of Changsha’s dual-Africa colleges and universities: New PhD students receive an award of RMB 50,000 from the National Autonomous Science Youth Fund, RMB 50,000 for a paper in Area I of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, RMB 30,000 from Area II, etc.

In my opinion, this type of scientific research performance reward is the most critical. In addition to receiving generous rewards, these topics and papers are also the biggest reliance of young teachers on their future professional title evaluations. Perhaps, such a teacher is only considered a mid-level teacher in 985 University, but in ordinary Shuangfei University, he is a typical example of school promotion and synonymous with excellence.

A few years ago, a fellow of mine from Yancheng resigned after working for three years and returned to his alma mater to study for a Ph.D., and then stayed at a dual-Africa university in Changsha to teach. The rewards of their school at that time were twice as high as they are now. In the first year after entering, he received funding from the National Natural Science Foundation of China and postdoctoral fellows, published two papers in Area I, and bought a new car priced at NT$300,000 a year later.

What is the future for a doctor who goes to an ordinary undergraduate school?

In November 2018, a high school classmate of mine (a Ph.D. graduate from Renmin University) came to Changsha for a meeting. During the dinner, he once said something to me: Learn knowledge slowly, and don’t place too much emphasis on the future and "money." path, otherwise it is easy to go astray. My mentor once told me before that I shouldn’t be distracted before becoming a professor. If I don’t take a step forward, it will be extremely difficult to move forward.

It is difficult to predict the future of entering an ordinary undergraduate school after graduating with a PhD. The influencing factors and personal choices vary greatly. For example, a senior brother of mine entered a university after graduation and became the secretary to the dean (a fictitious position, which is not allowed in principle), doing all kinds of busy college and professional chores, year after year. Later, he is still a lecturer.

However, entering a good team when recruiting talents is very helpful for the doctor's personal promotion and development in the later period. Nowadays, the era of "working alone" for college teachers has passed. It is more about teamwork of a few people, more than ten people, or even large teamwork between different colleges and universities. You must change your mentality and don't always feel that you are working for a "team leader" and being squeezed.

In fact, many PhD students choose to join enterprises and institutions after graduation. The treatment and income are much better than those in ordinary universities, and the improvement of personal abilities is also very significant. After earning money for a few years, when you encounter a suitable opportunity, you can decide whether to transfer back to college. For example, I have a senior sister who switched from a "senior engineer" at a research institute to a "professor" at a double-Africa university in 2018 (the requirements of prestigious universities are very demanding, and there is basically no hope).

To sum up, the salary for a doctorate graduate entering an ordinary undergraduate school is also "ordinary" and may not meet everyone's expectations for a doctorate's income. As for the future, it really depends on personal efforts and opportunities. After all, the top ones will always be a small group of people. Of course, the above discussion is also about general subjects, and the income of some majors will be much higher.

Thinking that you might earn several thousand dollars per month just after graduation, would you still choose to study for a Ph.D.?

There must be some shortcomings in Xiaoxi’s answers. Friends are welcome to criticize and correct me. Thank you all!

I graduated with a doctorate in 2012 and teach in colleges and universities. I am quite touched by this issue.

This question has two meanings: one is treatment, and the other is future.

Nowadays, all colleges and universities have raised the entry threshold. Only if you can get in can you negotiate salary. Therefore, the following answers are based on the premise after entering. First-class university benefits

1) Scientific research opportunities:

Equivalent to 985 universities, such universities offer good benefits, especially in terms of scientific research funding, and it is easy to apply. The platform is high and the project is easy to apply for.

In addition, the assessment tasks are also very heavy. They are usually assessed in stages, such as a small test every three years and a major test every five years. If you fail the assessment, you will be transferred. Of course, the specific assessment indicators are projects, papers, and awards.

I know a returnee from overseas. He was an associate professor at Zhejiang University who had just returned to China. The salary was very good in all aspects. Later, when the three-year deadline came, he was transferred without completing the task. I felt very embarrassed.

2) Salary

Salary income is commensurate with the local city. In second-tier cities, deputy senior professional titles are around 6,000. Ordinary university treatment

1) Scientific research opportunities

It is difficult to apply for the project, and even if you apply, the funding will be pitiful.

The National Natural Science Foundation generally does not have many young teachers from ordinary universities to shoulder the responsibility, and the same is true for Qingjin. The platform feels like a stage, which is the helplessness of reality.

The unit will provide a start-up fee for scientific research. This is a life-saving straw for young doctors. Make good use of it to prepare for future fund applications.

2) Salary

Ordinary universities usually have a settlement fee, which is quite expensive and can be used to buy a house.

The salary income is commensurate with the local city. In second-tier cities, the deputy senior professional title is around 6,000. Future

But do knowledge, don’t ask about the future.

Choosing a university, whether it is a first-class university or an ordinary university, means choosing poverty and dedication.

A piece of chalk, two sleeves of breeze, a three-foot podium, and four seasons of hard work are the best portrayals.

I can neither be a high official nor a rich man.

However, the value of life can be reflected in various ways. Having students all over the world is the greatest happiness for a teacher.

The concept of ordinary undergraduate schools is not very clear. Let us tentatively think that the questioner is talking about the four non-universities. So, what is the treatment like for those who graduate with a doctorate and enter the four non-universities? What's the future? Let’s compare it with going to 985 and 211 universities.

Let’s take a look at the benefits first

When a doctor enters a university to work, there are two parts of benefits to consider. One is the introduction benefits when he first enters the school, including the promised housing subsidy, settlement, etc. Fees, as well as scientific research start-up funds, laboratories, graduate student enrollment indicators, etc. This salary is mainly used to attract talents. Therefore, the more the four non-universities are short of talents, the higher the salary they will give.

For ordinary Ph.D.s, if you go to 985 or 211, you can get a rent subsidy of one to two thousand yuan per month at most, and a start-up fund of 30,000 to 50,000 yuan for scientific research (just enough to buy a computer and attend a domestic conference). If you go to the four non-universities, you may get Settlement allowance of RMB 100,000 to RMB 200,000, and scientific research funding of RMB 100,00.

The second is the salary after entering the school. Excluding the settling-in allowance (generally paid on a monthly basis), and only counting basic salary and performance allowances, 985 and 211 universities are generally higher than those of the four non-universities, mainly in terms of performance. If compared with the same city, it is basically one level higher. Lecturers in 985 and 211 can get the salary level of Sifei associate professors. When it comes to professors and associate professors, the gap may be even greater, especially for second- and third-level professors.

Let’s take a look at the development prospects

Overall, the development prospects of teachers in 985 and 211 colleges and universities are certainly better. For freshly graduated Ph.D.s, 985 and 211 universities have mature teams, and you can instruct graduate students to work there; there are big bosses who have the right to speak in the field, who can not only give academic guidance, but also help you apply for projects. , give me a push when it comes to rewards; there are ready-made experimental conditions, which may be better than the conditions during my previous Ph.D. The above advantages are basically lacking in the four non-universities.

Of course, it is not absolute. The quality of academic resources largely depends on the subject, not the school. 985 and 211 also have many inferior subjects, and the four non-universities also have relatively good subjects. One of my college classmates went to the School of Civil Engineering, one of the best departments of Chongqing Jiaotong University, and became a Yangtze Scholar in the school. He was quickly promoted to associate professor, and now he has received the National Natural Science Foundation of China, and is one paper short of qualifying for professorship. He also serves as a laboratory director and a company vice president. Compared with another classmate who stayed in a 211 college, although his salary on the salary card is a little lower, his actual income and social status are not bad at all, and are even more prosperous.

Conclusion

The platform can determine how high a person can jump, but it does not guarantee how high a person can jump. The best people in 985 and 211 are definitely better than the best people in the four non-universities, but not everyone in the 985 and 211 can be better than the people in the four non-universities. Even if many people go to 985 or 211, they may not be able to stay in a few years. Similarly, many people go to the four non-universities, and in the end they might as well go to a junior college. The school just paved a road for you. You still have to rely on yourself to walk on it. If you don’t work hard, the big road will become narrower and narrower. If you work hard, the small road will become wider and wider. This is true in academics and in anything else.

Answer: If you graduate with a PhD and go to an ordinary undergraduate college, you will get average pay, and if you don’t put in a lot of effort, your future will be average. 1. After graduating from an ordinary undergraduate school, the salary is average

Compared with going to a company, the salary in colleges and universities is very ordinary. Universities are public institutions, and the economic benefits they directly create are low, but enterprises are different. Doctors who go to companies to do specific work can directly produce results, so the remuneration for PhDs in companies is generally higher than that in universities. 2. The future is average, if there is no outstanding output.

Compared with ordinary undergraduate colleges, the other category is key schools and famous universities. The platform of ordinary undergraduate schools is average, and the probability of producing major results is relatively low. If no good results are produced, it may be difficult to evaluate professional titles. If the professional titles are not obtained, the application for many topics will be restricted. Without the support of big topics, you Funding will be limited. With little funding, it will be difficult for the laboratory to produce large scientific research output, thus forming a vicious cycle. On the contrary, key universities are more likely to form a virtuous cycle. Summary: Those who graduate with a doctorate and enter ordinary schools will receive average treatment and their future will not be very good. However, it cannot be denied that some people do well in ordinary schools, but the proportion is very low. If you can enter a better platform, it is recommended to choose a key university.

If you go to work in administrative logistics, the academic requirements will be relatively low.

As for the salary issue, teachers in colleges and universities should not be bad. The salary consists of teaching subsidies, project funds, and professional title subsidies. It also has a lot to do with the field you are engaged in, but compared to other industries, it is definitely better to continue.

The most attractive thing is the two long vacations, and university teachers have relatively free time and can find their own part-time projects.

Generally speaking, it is a relatively easy job for doctoral students to become teachers in colleges and universities, with good pay and low work pressure. It depends on personal choice

It’s really a bit of a waste of talent. Graduating a doctoral degree, continuing to advance in the field of professional research, and continuing to create wealth for society will be a more valuable future. Postgraduate qualifications include master's and doctoral degrees. At the doctoral level, one should have made certain achievements in the profession and have a say in relevant research directions. Now I feel that it is not worth it to go to school to teach.

As for the salary of undergraduate institutions, this is also based on the professional title series, salary for academic qualifications, salary for additional professional titles, salary, etc. You must also get projects and study topics in institutions. The special funds have produced results, and overall they are OK. If you enter the school at the doctoral level, you should be able to apply for professorships.

However, after entering the school, the interpersonal relationships are relatively simple and simple. Professionals can do their own research on their own projects, and then bring a few graduate students to apply for project studios in the school. This can still reflect the value of life and make contributions to the school. corresponding contribution. If you can bring out one or two famous teachers, you will be considered famous. Just like when Gauss, the prince of mathematics, was in college, his tutor randomly picked up a mathematical problem that the 19-year-old Gauss solved in one night, leaving a great story in the history of mathematics.

To become a famous teacher, you still have to study hard, produce results, and bring out graduate students. I think such performance can best reflect the sense of professional honor and bring personal achievements that are difficult to achieve no matter how much money is spent.

It still depends on whether the university you study in, your major, the university you study in for graduate students, and the university you study for doctoral students are 985, 211, and double first-class. If you are studying at a university, graduate school, doctoral student, or above, then entering an ordinary college will be a good choice for salary, welfare, promotion, etc.!

It mainly depends on the project, otherwise the salary will be very low. If you are a poor school, consider going to the administrative level, otherwise the resources will become more and more concentrated

It must be a PhD in liberal arts, and it is estimated that it will definitely not be good, and there is nothing you can do if it is not good, who will let them learn some deceptive things< /p>